DUCATI ECU and BBS Tuning (Racing EVO) for aftermarket exhaust

ggok

Member
Just a little chat again.

I've been using slicks (BBS number 67) for a while now, but Rexxer gave me the files for street and racing (Pirelli grooved tyres), number 47, free of charge.
I have Pirelli SC1 tyres on both front and rear, so I will be changing to 47 BBS mapping for road use.
The XECU company must be making a fortune, as previously I had to pay extra to get the files:cool:
I hope this helps anyone who is considering installing the Rexxer system on their MY18-19 Panigale V4.

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BMW Alpina

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Just a little chat again.

I've been using slicks (BBS number 67) for a while now, but Rexxer gave me the files for street and racing (Pirelli grooved tyres), number 47, free of charge.
I have Pirelli SC1 tyres on both front and rear, so I will be changing to 47 BBS mapping for road use.
The XECU company must be making a fortune, as previously I had to pay extra to get the files:cool:
I hope this helps anyone who is considering installing the Rexxer system on their MY18-19 Panigale V4.

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Thanks ggok,
That is a very good customer service from Rexxer/XECU. I plan to use their service once I can start my engine again and share my experience with you for my 2020 engine :)
 

ggok

Member
DUCATI Performance DTC DQS EVO2 96580201 A

Buyers can choose to map to BBS for slick or grooved tires.
However, it seems that the mapping to the ECU automatically determines the data to be written by the diagnostic machine based on the current ECU data and the mapping name.
I thought the buyer could also choose the ECU data, but that was a mistake.
The upgrade to the Performance EVO2 assumes that the ECU has already been flushed with DUCATI ’ s original stock-exhaust, slip-akrapovic, and full-akrapovic mappings.
In the case of stock-exhaust, nothing is displayed in DASH. In the case of slip-akrapovic, racing is displayed. In the case of full-akrapovic, racing evo is displayed.
The mode display is RACE EVO, SPORT EVO, STREET EVO for all cars.

Therefore, if the ECU is not flushed in the DUCATI formula, it may be possible to display in Racing or Racing EVO and DASH by changing to the ECU mapping (racing・racing pro) corresponding to the formula using a third party flash tool and introducing EVO2 or EVO3 in that state. It is a DUCATI official Racing ECU map.

This is my thought, or just a delusion.


Please refer to my past posts regarding the mapping name, etc.
96580211 A V4R DTC EVO2

Here is a bit of information about DTC/DQS EVO2, an update program specific to Panigale V4R.

V4 (STD... S) update program, the 96580201 A allows anyone to upgrade their vehicle to an EVO2 system after purchase.

But not in V4R.
If you purchase a PERFORMANCE AKRAPOVIC EXHAUST at a DUCATI dealer and the DDS UP-MAP does not update the ECU or BBS system in advance, you will not be allowed to upgrade to EVO2.

I can buy the item, but I can't upgrade it. And there will be no refund.
The refund may differ depending on the region or country's local subsidiary.

However, my acquaintance, Panigale V4R, who was equipped with TERMIGNONI4USCITE EXHAUST and performed FLASH of ECU with T 800 device in advance, successfully upgraded the EVO2 system.

It appears that DUCATI's DDS diagnostics determine whether an upgrade is permitted or not based on the ECU mapping name read from the vehicle.
4The ECU mapping name of USCITE EXHAUST mimics the mapping name of genuine AKRAPOVIC FULL EXHAUST, so it seems to be possible to cheat the diagnostic machine and do such unexpected things.

It seems that what I was thinking before was right.

However, the dash message will not be Racing evo, it will still be Racing pro.

 
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BMW Alpina

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96580211 A V4R DTC EVO2

Here is a bit of information about DTC/DQS EVO2, an update program specific to Panigale V4R.

V4 (STD... S) update program, the 96580201 A allows anyone to upgrade their vehicle to an EVO2 system after purchase.

But not in V4R.
If you purchase a PERFORMANCE AKRAPOVIC EXHAUST at a DUCATI dealer and the DDS UP-MAP does not update the ECU or BBS system in advance, you will not be allowed to upgrade to EVO2.

I can buy the item, but I can't upgrade it. And there will be no refund.
The refund may differ depending on the region or country's local subsidiary.

However, my acquaintance, Panigale V4R, who was equipped with TERMIGNONI4USCITE EXHAUST and performed FLASH of ECU with T 800 device in advance, successfully upgraded the EVO2 system.

It appears that DUCATI's DDS diagnostics determine whether an upgrade is permitted or not based on the ECU mapping name read from the vehicle.
4The ECU mapping name of USCITE EXHAUST mimics the mapping name of genuine AKRAPOVIC FULL EXHAUST, so it seems to be possible to cheat the diagnostic machine and do such unexpected things.

It seems that what I was thinking before was right.

However, the dash message will not be Racing evo, it will still be Racing pro.

Hi ggok,
Thanks so much for another great information.

I have questions based on 2 scenario:

Scenario1:
If I purchase Part# 96580201 and ask Ducati dealer to install it but I still use my standard exhaust ECU software, will the dashboard show Racing EVO right away?

Scenario2:
If I purchase Part# 96580201 and ask Ducati dealer to install it while I still have my standard exhaust ECU software,
and LATER I upgrade the ECU software to XECU tuning for my SC-Project WSBK exhaust specific software, will the dashboard show as Racing EVO?


Because from this table below, it looks like the DSB# is the same for OEM Slick, DP1 (slip-on Akrapovic) and DP2 (full system Akrapovic),
and from my understanding the DSB is what determine the dashboard screen so isn't this means once you flash with 96580201, the dashboard will always be Racing EVO regardless of the software for the ECU?
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Thanks
 

ggok

Member
Hi ggok,
Thanks so much for another great information.

I have questions based on 2 scenario:

Scenario1:
If I purchase Part# 96580201 and ask Ducati dealer to install it but I still use my standard exhaust ECU software, will the dashboard show Racing EVO right away?

Scenario2:
If I purchase Part# 96580201 and ask Ducati dealer to install it while I still have my standard exhaust ECU software,
and LATER I upgrade the ECU software to XECU tuning for my SC-Project WSBK exhaust specific software, will the dashboard show as Racing EVO?


Because from this table below, it looks like the DSB# is the same for OEM Slick, DP1 (slip-on Akrapovic) and DP2 (full system Akrapovic),
and from my understanding the DSB is what determine the dashboard screen so isn't this means once you flash with 96580201, the dashboard will always be Racing EVO regardless of the software for the ECU?
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Thanks
>>Scenario 1
All riding mode indications will be changed to EVO, see picture.
The message that appears when the IGNITION KEY is turned on depends on the ECU data at that time.
Standard exhaust will show nothing, slip-exhaust is Racing, full-exhaust is Racing EVO or Racing Pro.

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>>Scenario 2
NO.
You may be able to change it to Racing EVO if you upgrade to the SC-Project WSBK exhaust specific software in the XECU tuning device first and then install 96580201 EVO2.
If you end up with Racing Pro, you may be able to change it to Racing EVO by resetting everything back to standard and overwriting EVO2 again.

However, this is just a means to display Racing EVO, and the ECU mapping will be replaced by the AKRAPOVIC optimized one.
This means that ECU mapping optimized for SC-Project WSBK exhausts using the XECU system will be ruined.

If the Racing EVO display is successful, then the XECU device can be used to overwrite the ECU with the SC-Project WSBK exhaust-specific ECU mapping, but this is not desirable.
As I mentioned in a previous post on this forum, the ECU data with and without EVO2 is completely different, even if the ECU mapping name is the same.
However, I rarely get an error message and the engine starts fine.
There is no ECU mapping data with EVO2 in the market except for Rexxer Italia ECU and BBS packages.
 

BMW Alpina

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Thanks ggok,
This all make more sense.

By the way, I contacted a reputable tuning company here in the US last night and the tuner recommend for me to get the 96580201 EVO2 upgrade at the Ducati dealer first.
After the 96580201 EVO2 upgrade installed, then he asked me to send him the complete ECU to his office where he will tune it and this "MIGHT" allow him to get it to show Racing EVO on the startup and at least for sure it will show the RaceEvo, SportEvo and WetEvo mode to show up.

Right now, I am really torn between doing the method above or just buy a Ducati Akrapovic Full System Exhaust and install the MAP for Akrapovic plus adding 96580201 EVO2 upgrade.
The only issue with this is, I heard currently California Ducati dealer do not want to upload the MAP because Ducati USA forbid them due to CARB emission rule in California. So this means, I might need to ship my bike to out of state dealer to perform this.

Do you know if the Ducati Akrapovic Full System ECU Map is that much different compare to the SC-Project WSBK exhaust map? I have a feeling that it is not that much different, in fact, the Akrapovic map might actually be "richer" then the SC-Project version because the Akrapovic full system exhaust has much shorter pipe thus much quicker in releasing the gas/exhaust.
I know the horsepower might not be the maximum possible, due to richer fueling, but it will be also much safer for the engine. All I really care is just when I turn on my bike it will show RACING EVO in the dashboard and later show RaceEvo, SportEvo and WetEvo in the riding mode. It make the modification feel more "factory"... well actually it is an official factory map modification...
I haven't made my decision yet, but I might have to decide soon...
 

ggok

Member
Thanks ggok,
This all make more sense.

By the way, I contacted a reputable tuning company here in the US last night and the tuner recommend for me to get the 96580201 EVO2 upgrade at the Ducati dealer first.
After the 96580201 EVO2 upgrade installed, then he asked me to send him the complete ECU to his office where he will tune it and this "MIGHT" allow him to get it to show Racing EVO on the startup and at least for sure it will show the RaceEvo, SportEvo and WetEvo mode to show up.

Right now, I am really torn between doing the method above or just buy a Ducati Akrapovic Full System Exhaust and install the MAP for Akrapovic plus adding 96580201 EVO2 upgrade.
The only issue with this is, I heard currently California Ducati dealer do not want to upload the MAP because Ducati USA forbid them due to CARB emission rule in California. So this means, I might need to ship my bike to out of state dealer to perform this.

Do you know if the Ducati Akrapovic Full System ECU Map is that much different compare to the SC-Project WSBK exhaust map? I have a feeling that it is not that much different, in fact, the Akrapovic map might actually be "richer" then the SC-Project version because the Akrapovic full system exhaust has much shorter pipe thus much quicker in releasing the gas/exhaust.
I know the horsepower might not be the maximum possible, due to richer fueling, but it will be also much safer for the engine. All I really care is just when I turn on my bike it will show RACING EVO in the dashboard and later show RaceEvo, SportEvo and WetEvo in the riding mode. It make the modification feel more "factory"... well actually it is an official factory map modification...
I haven't made my decision yet, but I might have to decide soon...
I think the proposal from a tuning company to change to an EVO2 system first and then adjust the data in the ECU is very good.

Images of termignoni4uscite exhaust and akrapovic exhaust system fuel and ignition mapping. (V4R)
Termignoni is similar in its components to sc project exhaust.

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ggok

Member
Ignition and fuel mapping for standard akrapovic exhaust.
Custom ignition and fuel mapping for akrapovic exhaust tuned by tuneboy.(V4)

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BMW Alpina

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Thanks ggok,
Please kindly correct me if I am wrong, but I assume F1 is Fueling for Cylinder 1, however what is the meaning of L1?
Also, from a quick glance at the fueling value at the highest RPM, it looks like the Akrapovic Full System mapping is richer than the Termignoni 4USCITE Mapping, which (if my assumption is correct) meaning the Akrapovic have the capability to flow more exhaust gases volume compare to the Termignoni which like my SC-Project WSBK exhaust have a longer pipe...
Again, please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks
 

MaverickiB

Active member
I was underwhelmed with the factory Akra tune when I rode an akra-equipped V4S. It isn't as refined as I expect a factory race tune to be, still had flat spots in power delivery. It seems like a very conservative tune, definitely a lot more performance to be found in the machine.
 

BMW Alpina

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I was underwhelmed with the factory Akra tune when I rode an akra-equipped V4S. It isn't as refined as I expect a factory race tune to be, still had flat spots in power delivery. It seems like a very conservative tune, definitely a lot more performance to be found in the machine.
Hi MaverikiB,
I am not surprised to hear your experience that the Ducati official upmap is not perfect, I am sure the Ducati engineers are holding back and add more safety margin just to make sure.
(or maybe they are just too lazy to update the curve in smaller increment, thus the flats pots).

However, since all I want is just to be able to have a "safe tune" for my bike, plus the dashboard that shows Racing Evo during startup and the upmap software design to work flawlessly with the Race/Sport/Wet Evo mode with the DTC EVO2 as ggok point out above,
Right now, I am 98% sure towards buying an Akrapovic Full System Exhaust and use the UP-MAP from it on my bike with the SC-Project/Termignoni combo.
My bike is 2020 and as ggok inform us in this thread earlier, plus I confirm with XECU/Rexxer Italy a few months ago, the XECU/Rexxer Italy dual DTC and ECU upmap combo upgrade can only work on 2019 or older bikes, so I don't have the aftermarket option to accomplish my goal above.

I just received an email from a local Ducati dealership not far from my area that they can perform the upmap upgrade, but I need to meet these requirements below:

Due to California strict emissions rules, The motorcycle needs to be towed in and out of the dealership, all the lights etc. need to be taped up, the license plate needs to be removed and need to have either proof of motorcycle being registered as Non-Operational or an affidavit stating as such.
The dealership will need to submit photos of the documentation to Ducati NA and photos of the bike as well. Depending on how the dealership receive the upmap, they may also need to register the vin# to that specific upmap to use it.


This is perfect because my bike will not have it's lighting and license plate install for the next 6 months or so, I do not plan to ride it (which is true and this forum can be the proof of my "for display only" intention), and I can provide the affidavit just for legal purpose.
Not to mention, this dealer also offer Sprinter Van pick up and delivery service so I don't have to worry about renting u-haul/truck.

Perhaps, if after all this Akrapovic up-map upgrade, I am somehow still want to go further, then I can always upgrade the Akrapovic up-map to custom tuning for the SC-Project WSBK exhaust.

The only issue to this "ofificial Ducati factory" solution is the cost of the Akrapovic full system alone will be at least around $5,000. However, I believe this is going to be my last time modifying bike (unless I can find a zero miles 998s FE at reasonable price) so I guess as long as I am happy, I can always work harder to find $5,000 😌

Hmmm... or maybe there is someone out there who read this post and interested in buying a brand new, never used Akrapovic fully system exhaust (but the hardware only) from me because he/she might be going the custom tune anyway. If any of you, this post is interested in buying the hardware only without the up-map, please PM me 😉
 

Motojp

New member
Before trying the rexxer system, I tried the Tuneboy system as well. If you just want to label it as Racing EVO, you can do it with Tuneboy.

The current version of the Tuneboy is a system that unlocks the ECU and allows the ignition and fuel to be adjusted to match the current vehicle.
You can flash the ECU with Tuneboy's akrapovic full.slip-on mapping, but the BBS doesn't support it, so DTC.DWC.DSC etc. are disabled.
This may be good for people who don't need electronic controls.
There was no problem with the running itself.

I tried a combination of rexxer's only for racing EVO2 BBS and Tuneboy's akrapovic full ECU. With this combination, everything worked fine.

A little extra information.

Video.Racing EVO is indicated, but the display at the bottom right of the instrument dashboard panel, DTC.DWC.DSC etc., is blinking, indicating that its function is limited.

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Before trying the rexxer system, I tried the Tuneboy system as well. If you just want to label it as Racing EVO, you can do it with Tuneboy.

The current version of the Tuneboy is a system that unlocks the ECU and allows the ignition and fuel to be adjusted to match the current vehicle.
You can flash the ECU with Tuneboy's akrapovic full.slip-on mapping, but the BBS doesn't support it, so DTC.DWC.DSC etc. are disabled.
This may be good for people who don't need electronic controls.
There was no problem with the running itself.

I tried a combination of rexxer's only for racing EVO2 BBS and Tuneboy's akrapovic full ECU. With this combination, everything worked fine.

A little extra information.

Video.Racing EVO is indicated, but the display at the bottom right of the instrument dashboard panel, DTC.DWC.DSC etc., is blinking, indicating that its function is limited.

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Before trying the rexxer system, I tried the Tuneboy system as well. If you just want to label it as Racing EVO, you can do it with Tuneboy.

The current version of the Tuneboy is a system that unlocks the ECU and allows the ignition and fuel to be adjusted to match the current vehicle.
You can flash the ECU with Tuneboy's akrapovic full.slip-on mapping, but the BBS doesn't support it, so DTC.DWC.DSC etc. are disabled.
This may be good for people who don't need electronic controls.
There was no problem with the running itself.

I tried a combination of rexxer's only for racing EVO2 BBS and Tuneboy's akrapovic full ECU. With this combination, everything worked fine.

A little extra information.

Video.Racing EVO is indicated, but the display at the bottom right of the instrument dashboard panel, DTC.DWC.DSC etc., is blinking, indicating that its function is limited.

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I have a 2019 v4s with a CS racing exhaust slip on installed. After much debate on which canned tune to throw at it, it turns out there is a local, reputable Ducati shop that says they can custom dyno tune my bike using tuneboy software.



Awesome right? No bother with canned tune stuff.. Well, not so much after reading through and trying to piece together all the info on theses forums haha! Also, they’ve (shop) been vague about any other details which leaves me with questions for ggok and/or all who are willing to answer….



Based on this post/your experience with various combos of Ecu and other bbs software I’m somewhat skeptical of what the final result may be. It sounds like if I get the custom Ecu tune done I’ll have the most desirable afr situation for the engine but I won’t have any form of traction control unless I spend the money on a bbs update from either Ducati or xecu?



Does anyone know if tuneboy tuning software has evolved to allow the traction control to work with a custom(or canned) tune to work or will it still be “disabled”?



They also mentioned they tune each cylinder individually? From what I can tell on my bike there is only two o2 sensors, one for the front two pair combined and one for the back two. Wouldn’t they have to custom fit sensors for each of the four headers to accomplish tuning per cylinder tuning?



Another question. For any tune custom or canned, how are the power modes affected(full, med, smooth)? is the tune applied to full power mode and then med and smoother are tuned down from there based on the custom/canned tune? Or is the new tune all you got? How does this work?



My 05 gsxr race bike is way less complicated lol.



Tia fellas
 

ggok

Member
Thanks ggok,
Please kindly correct me if I am wrong, but I assume F1 is Fueling for Cylinder 1, however what is the meaning of L1?
Also, from a quick glance at the fueling value at the highest RPM, it looks like the Akrapovic Full System mapping is richer than the Termignoni 4USCITE Mapping, which (if my assumption is correct) meaning the Akrapovic have the capability to flow more exhaust gases volume compare to the Termignoni which like my SC-Project WSBK exhaust have a longer pipe...
Again, please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks
Manifold pressure mapping(L) is limited to the 0-2.5% throttle to 5000RPM region, so there is no need to adjust the MAP tables.

dyno is to make changes to the TP (F) table.

The values in the table are percentage adjustments.

Example,
+5.0% in a trim table will increase the fuel delivery by 5%,
-5.0% in a trim table will decrease the fuel delivery by 5%.

*The TP(F) tables are used when the ECU is mapping based on throttle position.

*The MAP(L) tables are used when the ECU is mapping based on manifold pressure.
 

ggok

Member
I have a 2019 v4s with a CS racing exhaust slip on installed. After much debate on which canned tune to throw at it, it turns out there is a local, reputable Ducati shop that says they can custom dyno tune my bike using tuneboy software.



Awesome right? No bother with canned tune stuff.. Well, not so much after reading through and trying to piece together all the info on theses forums haha! Also, they’ve (shop) been vague about any other details which leaves me with questions for ggok and/or all who are willing to answer….



Based on this post/your experience with various combos of Ecu and other bbs software I’m somewhat skeptical of what the final result may be. It sounds like if I get the custom Ecu tune done I’ll have the most desirable afr situation for the engine but I won’t have any form of traction control unless I spend the money on a bbs update from either Ducati or xecu?



Does anyone know if tuneboy tuning software has evolved to allow the traction control to work with a custom(or canned) tune to work or will it still be “disabled”?



They also mentioned they tune each cylinder individually? From what I can tell on my bike there is only two o2 sensors, one for the front two pair combined and one for the back two. Wouldn’t they have to custom fit sensors for each of the four headers to accomplish tuning per cylinder tuning?



Another question. For any tune custom or canned, how are the power modes affected(full, med, smooth)? is the tune applied to full power mode and then med and smoother are tuned down from there based on the custom/canned tune? Or is the new tune all you got? How does this work?



My 05 gsxr race bike is way less complicated lol.



Tia fellas
Euro 4 regulated cars have two O2Sensors, so I think you need to weld the bosses to install four wideband sensors to adjust for each cylinder.

Euro 5 regulated cars have four O2Sensors as standard, so I think they can be adjusted easily.

The problem with Tuneboy ECU flashing causing errors (limited functionality) in traction control, etc. is that the ECU flashes the akrapovic mapping file as is.
If you copy the values in the akrapovic file and paste them into the standard file and then flash the ECU, you will not get the error.
DASH does not show Racing evo, but the fuel and ignition mapping is akrapovic itself.

Changing the ECU mapping will change the power and output characteristics, which will be out of balance with the programmed torque control, tire characteristics, etc. However, by changing the BBS mapping, you will get the best and maximum electronic control benefit.

Well, the rider's skill can compensate for this.
 

ggok

Member
This is an edited file of the akrapovic ECU mapping values that I copied and pasted into the standard file.

It can be edited with the tune edit software.

Capturing the dialog to increase or decrease the fuel mapping.

With the Contitech M3C and Magneti Marelli 5AM/59M ECUs, it was possible to change the dash message at startup.
However, with the M4D ECU used in the V4, it was possible to display the edit dialog and make changes on the fly, but when I actually wrote the edited file to the vehicle ECU, I could not get the message to display (nothing. No display).

About two years ago I contacted Tuneboy, and a few days later they removed the text from the description on the sales page that the dash message could be changed.
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ggok

Member
Euro 4 regulated cars have two O2Sensors, so I think you need to weld the bosses to install four wideband sensors to adjust for each cylinder.

Euro 5 regulated cars have four O2Sensors as standard, so I think they can be adjusted easily.

The problem with Tuneboy ECU flashing causing errors (limited functionality) in traction control, etc. is that the ECU flashes the akrapovic mapping file as is.
If you copy the values in the akrapovic file and paste them into the standard file and then flash the ECU, you will not get the error.
DASH does not show Racing evo, but the fuel and ignition mapping is akrapovic itself.

Changing the ECU mapping will change the power and output characteristics, which will be out of balance with the programmed torque control, tire characteristics, etc. However, by changing the BBS mapping, you will get the best and maximum electronic control benefit.

Well, the rider's skill can compensate for this.
I mentioned that four wideband sensors need to be installed, but since the standard O2 sensors are located at the meeting point of the front and rear exhaust pipes, I don't see anything wrong with using two wideband sensors to make adjustments for each cylinder.
The only people who would need to make exact adjustments with four wideband sensors would be professionals on real racing machines.

If you want to go that far, you should go to MoTeC ECU for SBK.
 
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